tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post1950539054695067256..comments2022-12-16T01:17:07.575-08:00Comments on IVAN vs JAAN: The Indepenent went to Liepaja, ended up in KremlinEstonia in World Media (Rus)http://www.blogger.com/profile/13791711276337826586noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-9065284775031594532007-12-24T15:58:00.000-08:002007-12-24T15:58:00.000-08:00It would be refreshing if for once, we heard, "Wel...<I>It would be refreshing if for once, we heard, "Well, hmm, Amnesty, PACE, the EU, the UN, various international newspapers have raised this issue, they can't ALL be COMPLETELY wrong, perhaps we should reflect on some of the common points and see if we can improve them," rather than, "How DARE they?"</I><BR/><BR/>Late to the party, but here goes.<BR/><BR/>I personally am disappointed in Amnesty,Giustinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04756707910693785516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-28601265360431645622007-12-21T04:42:00.000-08:002007-12-21T04:42:00.000-08:00- "Wardrums?' Who's beating wardrums? What did I m...- "Wardrums?' Who's beating wardrums? What did I miss? Those damned Estos on the march again? ;-)"<BR/><BR/>Right, right. A sardonic tongue-in-cheek response, evidenced by the accompanying emoticon. Had me in stitches.<BR/><BR/>- "Surely you cannot put the onus of 'persuasion' to do what is right and in the general interests of Europe on Estonia."<BR/><BR/>"I meant nothing more than what I said."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-25236014342630687562007-12-20T12:58:00.000-08:002007-12-20T12:58:00.000-08:00Observer, I really think you need to tread caref...Observer, <BR/><I> I really think you need to tread carefully rather than beat the wardrums. </I><BR/>I'm at a loss. 'Wardrums?' Who's beating wardrums? What did I miss? Those damned Estos on the march again? ;-)<BR/><BR/><I>"Surely you cannot put the onus of 'persuasion' to do what is right and in the general interests of Europe on Estonia."<BR/><BR/>This is an arrogant statement implying that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-13549341795000499412007-12-20T09:43:00.000-08:002007-12-20T09:43:00.000-08:00"And now - mirabile dictu!- you tell us that every..."And now - mirabile dictu!- you tell us that everyone else is indeed concerned too!"<BR/><BR/>Your grandiloquent writing style belies your rather lackadaisical reading tendencies. If you CAREFULLY re-read my last post you will see that I have also written, "this does not of itself indicate that the Estonian position is necessarily the best way to go." There is indeed concern about the situation Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-62555802290311118762007-12-20T07:54:00.000-08:002007-12-20T07:54:00.000-08:00Tere hommukust!Ah, southern Esto dialect yet: char...<I>Tere hommukust!</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, southern Esto dialect yet: charming! <I> Tere hommikut, ninatark tähenärija! </I><BR/><BR/>Look, Observer, you know perfectly well I was offering mildly sardonic and obvious ripostes to two utterly silly rhetorical questions you posed. Now you're attempting to distort and ride the coattails of those responses. Slept in during those Logic 101, classes did we? <Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-3236815098567601362007-12-20T07:11:00.000-08:002007-12-20T07:11:00.000-08:00"There's a certain amount of complacency here that..."There's a certain amount of complacency here that is really frightening. You mentioned "those partners not listening to the Czechs in 1938." "<BR/><BR/>More to the point - this is not 1938, and such thinking-by-analogy is a lazy substitute for real analysis. For God's sake, isn't it time to put the WW2 analogies aside? I sometimes get the impression that conflict is the only historical event Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-20257010357800385112007-12-20T03:01:00.000-08:002007-12-20T03:01:00.000-08:00Tere hommukust!Max, everyone is aware of the need ...Tere hommukust!<BR/><BR/>Max, everyone is aware of the need for energy security and the need to face up to Russia. Putin didn't get to be Time's Person of the Year without making a lot of waves across Europe and the world.<BR/><BR/>However this does not of itself indicate that the Estonian position is necessarily the best way to go. They need to convince their partners with a reasoned argument Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-40621231740895525872007-12-19T13:50:00.000-08:002007-12-19T13:50:00.000-08:00Observer wrote: If the Estonians are not prepared ...Observer wrote:<BR/><I> If the Estonians are not prepared to listen to outsiders, why should their partners listen to them?</I><BR/><BR/>Hmm...Perhaps because those same partners didn't listen to the Czechs in 1938?<BR/><BR/><I>When Estonia is trying to drum up an international consensus for energy security in Europe or warning of a resurgent Russia, why should their international partners be Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-532379376952926732007-12-19T08:39:00.000-08:002007-12-19T08:39:00.000-08:00Actually now that I think about it, I don't agree ...Actually now that I think about it, I don't agree with what you have said in the last paragraph I quoted above. You go to the trouble to present a blog about "Estonia in world media" to a Russian-speaking audience (who may or may not all be ethnic Russians). So it would appear that you ARE, in fact, reaching out and attempting to educate those who may not necessarily be "on the same page" as you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-85321281548104580222007-12-19T08:29:00.000-08:002007-12-19T08:29:00.000-08:00"I read about it thousand times. I am "Pravda" sub..."I read about it thousand times. I am "Pravda" subscriber."<BR/><BR/>Well my Russian is pretty limited so I am pretty sure the paper was an English-language one.<BR/><BR/>"This is personal, point of view, blog "<BR/><BR/>Fine, but I challenged you on a statement you made asking what the Independent has to say about Bangladeshis, by easily finding some articles. Even on your own personal blog you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-27732387512550255662007-12-19T08:07:00.000-08:002007-12-19T08:07:00.000-08:00Now, of course you are not writing for a national ...<I>Now, of course you are not writing for a national newspaper so you shouldn't be held to the same standards as Schüler</I><BR/><BR/>This is personal, point of view, blog intended to expose neo-soviet Russia and her sympathizers in as strong wording as they deserve.<BR/><BR/><I>And at least one paper I read back then mentioned that some EU partners were not necessarily happy about being dragged Estonia in World Media (Rus)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13791711276337826586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-690059113860169302007-12-19T07:43:00.000-08:002007-12-19T07:43:00.000-08:00By the way, I notice you have not responded to the...By the way, I notice you have not responded to the examples I have given about the Independent covering the "Poor Bangladeshis in the UK" at least twice in the last year. Now, of course you are not writing for a national newspaper so you shouldn't be held to the same standards as Schüler but all it took to find these articles was to do a quick search on the Independent's site with key words "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-74145327257215194662007-12-19T07:25:00.000-08:002007-12-19T07:25:00.000-08:00"On the April issue the foreign press is faithfull..."On the April issue the foreign press is faithfully on our side."<BR/><BR/>I agree that most of the newspapers on the April issue agreed that Russia was throwing its weight around, and that rioting was unjustifiable. However a lot of the reports I read ALSO wrote about the riots being an explosion stemming from a simmering frustration from perceptions of discrimination... The papers were NOT Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-61476641512302384802007-12-19T06:47:00.000-08:002007-12-19T06:47:00.000-08:00"And I'm sorry, but to an outsider, when you read ...<I>"And I'm sorry, but to an outsider, when you read that PACE (flawed, I know), the UN (Mr Doudou's recent visit), Amnesty (annual report, not 100% complimentary) and various newspapers (especially when the situation was brought under the spotlight in April) ALL seem to be highlighting common factors, and the only response in each case is angry denials, well, you begin to wonder... and if enoughEstonia in World Media (Rus)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13791711276337826586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-60624381471743455372007-12-19T04:01:00.000-08:002007-12-19T04:01:00.000-08:00"why attribute comments herein to Toompea, especia..."why attribute comments herein to Toompea, especially if some of them (like my own) emanate from 5000 miles away?"<BR/><BR/>I believe I have already answered that I am not attributing them to the House on the hill, but remarking on how closely they generally echo the party line coming down from the House. <BR/><BR/>And in any case, is a country just its government? Do individual views not be Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-54356235744490902832007-12-18T12:15:00.000-08:002007-12-18T12:15:00.000-08:00Mea culpa! I wrote:Demographically based studies o...Mea culpa! I wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>Demographically based studies over the years nonetheless show a clear linkage between adaptation to English as a lingua franca and operating exclusively in one's original mother tongue (which is entirely possible, given the size of some ethnic communities)... </I><BR/><BR/>I meant to finish the sentence:<BR/><BR/><I>...and the respective ethnic groups' Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-60799889930791944442007-12-18T12:03:00.000-08:002007-12-18T12:03:00.000-08:00Observer said,As far as the nationalist comments m...Observer said,<BR/><I>As far as the nationalist comments made by Times and Telegraph readers, it's an internet site for comments. </I><BR/><BR/>So's this one. Not fronting for any government or party to the best of my knowledge. So why attribute comments herein to Toompea, especially if some of them (like my own) emanate from 5000 miles away?<BR/><BR/><I>If an unfavourable report comes in on theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-42943564642325594382007-12-18T11:33:00.000-08:002007-12-18T11:33:00.000-08:00probably incorrect gender is used, the right word ...probably incorrect gender is used, the right word should be pasquill: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/PasquillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-6883469387444675382007-12-18T11:04:00.000-08:002007-12-18T11:04:00.000-08:00What the hell is a pasquille?What the hell is a pasquille?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-46181129000665045922007-12-18T09:11:00.000-08:002007-12-18T09:11:00.000-08:00"I wonder what says the Independent on the disturb..."I wonder what says the Independent on the disturbing situation of the poor - literally - Bangladeshis?"<BR/><BR/>Tegelikult, over the years the Independent and all major newspapers have covered this topic, perhaps not specifically limited to Bangladeshis in each case but about minorities. Here's 2 articles just in the last 12 months:-<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/ynve7y<BR/><BR/>The Independent Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-71228107080925779852007-12-18T08:39:00.000-08:002007-12-18T08:39:00.000-08:00"However, there is always room for improvement and..."However, there is always room for improvement and it would be nice if voices from outside giving evaluations or recommendations would actually be listened to rather than automatically dismissed or given the "but in your country" response."<BR/><BR/>Indeed - when a country joins the EU, its internal problems suddenly become the business of other member states and such organizations as the ones Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-62774197206783413012007-12-18T08:21:00.000-08:002007-12-18T08:21:00.000-08:00As it happens, compared to many countries, I actua...As it happens, compared to many countries, I actually think the Russian minority (at least in Tallinn) has it pretty good. As Giustino has pointed out on his blog, pretty much all their commercial needs are catered for in their own language.<BR/><BR/>So I am not here to scream about discrimination against Russians, I actually think Estonia is handling it quite fairly, especially given the historyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-40886923847685420062007-12-18T08:07:00.000-08:002007-12-18T08:07:00.000-08:00"Whatever happened to free speech?"Well on this co..."Whatever happened to free speech?"<BR/><BR/>Well on this comment section it appears it gets responded to by comments such as:<BR/><BR/>"Your snotty patronizing tone is entirely out of place."<BR/><BR/>Oh well. Love the irony.<BR/><BR/>"As for attributing to the 'country' the individual bloggers' objections to a piece of pulp journalism, it's a leap of logic that is unfathomable. <BR/><BR/>Fine Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-43643977518400959532007-12-18T06:55:00.000-08:002007-12-18T06:55:00.000-08:00Observer,I don't believe it was our host's intent ...Observer,<BR/><BR/>I don't believe it was our host's intent to 'manipulate' figures, merely to point out with the googled UK figures re minorities how easy it is to show how distorted and misleading such figures can be when taken out of context and furthermore <I> without consideration of WHY such figures, especially re pathological stats (addictions, etc) actually obtain. Not everything is as itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7424353162048226766.post-62784632176633324022007-12-18T06:29:00.000-08:002007-12-18T06:29:00.000-08:00And may I ask are local elections not "elections"?...And may I ask are local elections not "elections"? <BR/><BR/>Maybe Estonia doesn't let Russians to write in Russian (...vulgar insults on the wall of opera building - but oh? I forgot to mention the second, utterly unimportant part).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com